Guys with guns: Police contacts with open carry advocates
Many of these folks are well-versed in the law, but they fail to comprehend that plenty of citizens out there are just plain scared of “guys with guns” walking in and out of their local coffee shop
We’ve had two news items on police contacts with so-called open carry advocates in the span of about a week. We’ve covered the topic of law enforcement response to open carry folks in the past, but the issue certainly merits a few moments of our time once again.
Regular readers of this space know that I strongly support the responsible, vetted, trained, legally-armed citizen’s Second Amendment rights. I believe that most of these folks are well-meaning people who simply want to “demonstrate” their rights under the law, such as it is, wherever that is.
Problem is, though, a certain number of open carry advocates seem to be actively trying to engage a confrontation with law enforcement so they can post video of their encounter to the Internet. This is where my ‘support’ for open carry individuals ends.
Conservatives Using Liberal Tactics
I’m confounded by the fact that the most extreme open carry individuals — those who intentionally try to create videotaped confrontations with cops — have seemingly adopted tactics which historically speaking have been the domain of left-leaning political activists.
None of these open carry advocates — to my knowledge anyway — has chained themselves to a fence or sat down in the middle of the street, but conducting an organized campaign to antagonize cops and cause inconvenience to fellow citizens is pretty much the domain of the Occupy movement, isn’t it?
Many of these folks are well-versed in the law, and I say good on them for that. But a small segment of the group fails to (or seems to fail to) comprehend that plenty of citizens out there are just plain scared of “guys with guns” walking in and out of their local coffee shop.
When they show up in numbers — like some bizarre flash mob —essentially they’re moving from Second Amendment advocacy and into First Amendment right to assembly and free speech territory. Taken together, contact with police is inevitable.
Those Two Recent Incidents
Cop's expert open carry response goes viral
Man arrested for open carry in park
Some Final Thoughts
“While I do agree with officer safety [issues], I have to look at it from the eyes of ‘what does the law say?’ Too many times I’ve seen officers with a poor understanding of existing law make poor choices on how they choose to handle a situation from an enforcement standpoint.
“Obviously, this type of situation is not going to go away. These people are willing to go to court, fight it, sue departments, and do what is necessary to ensure that their right to bear arms is not infringed.”
Ron also commented on one of the two recent news items — the one in the park.
“If he was within his legal right and willing to do something about it, to the point of filming it, then the officer might better have defused the situation by getting information from the subject and them determining if a crime was indeed committed before pursuing action. Charges could then be filed later.
“He could have been disarmed and released for officer safety and then asked to come to the department to get his weapon if no charges were filed. There were better options available. It’s a tough call but officers need to be able to really know this law and what can and cannot be done.”
As I said, we have covered this matter here on PoliceOne from pretty much every angle. The abovementioned Ron Avery wrote an excellent article back in April 2011 which I strongly suggest you revisit.
In some cases, these open carry individuals are looking to embarrass the officer they expect to encounter, and too often an officer falls into the trap. This generally happens when the subject in question knows the law better than the cop, when the cop loses his/her cool while the subject rolls video, or some combination of the two.
In hopes that I can help cops out there to ensure against being the latest YouTube sensation (and not in a good way), here's a brief list of things to keep in mind when encountering open carry advocates.
• Know your local law
Add your own ideas in the comments area below. Let’s have a conversation here folks, because by all indications we’re going to be seeing more of these contacts, not less.
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